Curse

saab · Feb 20, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Goal: Make a W/R barrage pet build for tombs that is just as effective as a Ranger primary, for those who don't have a primary ranger but would still like to do fast easy tombs runs. With some input from the community, perhaps it is possible to make a w/r that is in some ways more effective than the run of the mill Ranger primary B/P. My armor is Gladiators w/ ascalon boots.The energy from Gladiator's is really essential.

With B/P groups cutting the time in half for a tombs run compared to when I tanked the whole thing, I figured why not change secondaries and join in on the action. I ran into an unforseen problem, noone will accept a w/r, even after you make it clear you are set for B/P. After trying to get into a PUG for an hour I gave up and waited for my guildmates to get on. Even with near a full group, some rangers said, "A Warrior?! Goodbye." I was in charge of the FW spirit. I was afraid it would cause energy problems but I actually never ran out of energy throughout the whole run. If I ever got low, I activated Bonetti's and let the nearests grasps swing at me for a second.

Advantages:
10% armor penetration always (with 10 strength)
Higher AL (would make a better puller because it would handle the damage better)
Absorbtion Runes and armor
Opens alot of new possible skill variations

Disadvantages:
Less energy (Fixed by Glad's armor)
Impossible to get into a group unless with guildmates.
Cannot be responsible for the winnowing spirit

Skills:
Barrage
Distracting shot
Bonetti's Defends
Favorable Winds or Free if someone else can do it (contemplating: I will survive, IWAY, Endure, or Healing Sig)
Troll Ungent
Ressurection Sig
Comfort animal
Charm Animal

Attribute Distribution:
Strength 10
Marksmanship 12
Wilderness Survival 8
Tactics 7
Beast Mastery 2

If you are still worried about energy, a zealous bow should take care of any problems that may present. I used a Vampiric and was fine. Now I'm not great with the math, but I would think 10% armor penetration would deal more damage than a point or 2 extra in marksmanship when using barrage. Also the armor penetration deals the damage on every shot, without required energy to deal the damgae. Part of my reasoning for posting this thread is to get some input and suggestions for that floating skill but also to raise awareness that this is a viable build and not to ignore that W/R who says he's set for B/P. Alright, now tear it up....

Sab · Feb 20, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Ranger primary is simply more effective for barrage/pet. 10% AP isn't much - I'd much rather have the ability to spam bow attacks with high Expertise. Constantly hitting Barrage, Dual Shot, Savage Shot and Distracting Shot (with orders) more than make up for 10% AP I would think.

Does Bonetti's Defense actually work? I was under the impression that you can't evade/block attacks as a R/ or /R, so I'm thinking Bonetti's won't give you energy. Even so, I'd rather not be wandering around near the front lines without any tanking ability.

In short, Expertise > Strength.

Mustache Mayhem · Feb 20, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

a little harsh.. but yeah without expertise and only 2 pips of regen your not going to dish out as much.. plus there's the issue with the runes so your not going to have the extra points where needed.. just go for it though- nothing to lose really =p

I think something like your build would cut it if the rest were ranger primary.. thing with rangers is they have some really neat tricks like throw dirt, lightning reflexes (my favorite for this run), whirling so tanking is'nt an issue and concussion shot is cut in half too- used alot to completely shutdown the terrors

12 marks though with barrage would be enough to make you an asset with your pet- just can't do alot of the tricks but you'd be better than some of the guys I've seen join with ranger primary.. the build is pretty much idiot proof if you lead it.. 5 rangers, 2 necros (orders/mm), monk

saab · Feb 20, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Thanks for the animosity...

Yes Bonetti's defence worked great. It is for more of a defensive situation but can be easily used to refill energy a lot of situations. The point of this build is to give Warrior primaries a viable way to do a quick farm run as opposed to doing the traditional tanking run. Yes it is very proven with 5 rangers and there is litttle need for improvement, which is part of the problem for the w/r when they want to join a group. But if needed, a w/r using this build will not be a drag and in some ways can be of benefit such as staying power when things get hairy.

Again this run was done w/o incident w/ a good monk, an orders necro doing his first b/p run, an average mm, 3 rangers and me(one left of course). Maybe I was a bit overzealous in saying that this build could possibly be more effective than a ranger primary but I assumed I would get some of the great open minds on this site working w/ me on this to improve it. Again this is not to replace the Ranger, quite obviously he is naturally better at being a barrage ranger, but this is a completely acceptable alternative if the situation calls for it.

SKA_ · Feb 20, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

what possible situation could a warrior trying to be a ranger be usefull?
the point of B/P groups is to kill as fast as possible to finish the run in less then an hour, if the tons of thousands of people doing these runs thought a W/R barrager would of been more useful i think it would of been discovered by more talented people then you

De One · Feb 22, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I dont see the point of having a barrage/pet W/R. You decide what kind of builds you wanna run before creating your charac or make a new one because each primary has hes own build.

You either choose to be a barrage/pet as a ranger primary or be a stance as warrior primary.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Mar 06, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

I use a W/R barrager with my guild and it works fine.

12 marks
10 strenth
tactics= rest

Barrage
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
IWAY
Distracting
Savage
Rez Sig
Watch Yourself

Its fine just stay inthe back away from an types of E-denial. Its not as effective but it can be done.

Murder In China · Mar 06, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Barrage is spammed every 2 seconds.

5 energy to use Barrage, with 2 pips that provides 2 energy every 3 seconds.

Then you have Savage shot and Distracting shot which cost energy. I doubt you have energy for it.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Mar 06, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

I guess you din't read my post because I said it wasn't as effective as a normal B/P ranger.

I do use full glads armor though

Murder In China · Mar 06, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Your Barrager is a travesty.

audioaxes · Mar 06, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

im speechless...

Guillaume De Sonoma · Mar 06, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Your Barrager is a travesty.

I'm sorry you feel that way. It was made as a suplimeny to not having any PvE chars that could do P/B in ToPK. A group of W/r's instead of R/x's won't work. It is a supliment, it does not work as well as a ranger B/P. I've stated both and you refuse to see it. Oh well some normal people are still blind.

Sadly though IWAY doesn't trigger off of minions any longer.

Murder In China · Mar 06, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

A warrior shouldn't even use a bow.

dr1zz one · Mar 06, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

My tank uses a bow to pull with. And i choose to use Drago's Flat bow. It just looks better when it is huge!

I believe I was one of those rangers that joined your group, saw the Tank as W/R and left. Sorry, I thought I joined the wrong group.

djfatben · Mar 06, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

To the OP: I think you riled people up when you initially said as effective or better. You later corrected it, but people's attention spans are about as long as Gary Coleman is tall. So shame on you.

To all the haters: Damn, you guys are flaming biters. He said a number of times this is for people WITHOUT ranger primaries that want to speed things up for themselves. Is this as good as a ranger primary? No. Is it quicker than a stance warrior? YES.

Murder In China · Mar 06, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Stance tank would make more money in UW or FoW than Tombs if he was lucky.

Amsterdam · Mar 07, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guillaume De Sonoma

I'm sorry you feel that way. It was made as a suplimeny to not having any PvE chars that could do P/B in ToPK. A group of W/r's instead of R/x's won't work. It is a supliment, it does not work as well as a ranger B/P. I've stated both and you refuse to see it. Oh well some normal people are still blind.

Sadly though IWAY doesn't trigger off of minions any longer.

Its a game buddy

have friend, don't listen to Murder In China, he is always outspoken about everything he doesn't feel is exactly right. If you are having fun playing, then you are achieving exactly what you should be in this game... Because it is a GAME

Lady Lorwinia · Mar 08, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Unless your a ranger primary..don't even think of wielding a bow.. it's a complete waste.

Expertise is needed if you are doing tons energy attacks..

Rofl.. with the low energy that a warrior has.. how in the hell did you think you were going to get anywere..

just switch to r/w

Guillaume De Sonoma · Mar 08, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

Unless your a ranger primary..don't even think of wielding a bow.. it's a complete waste.

Expertise is needed if you are doing tons energy attacks..

Rofl.. with the low energy that a warrior has.. how in the hell did you think you were going to get anywere..

just switch to r/w

You cannot switch a warrior primary

phreakilla · Mar 08, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

i use a e/r for my b/p farming.... massive energy reserve, metor shower, conjure fire to make up the differance...